Learn more here. On Friday, state funding runs out for Kuhn, causing the charity institution to shut its doors. Theres a lot to like about Vicksburg; Who did you call, or who did you email to get a walkthrough? Thank you! A Copy of this Newspaper is in my possession Wonder if MDAH has any patient records dating back to 1913. Mr B asked for a hotel room as he did not want to be abandoned at the bus bench. I don't claim the rights to Kelly Clarkson's "Never Ag .more. https://www.wjtv.com/news/metro/vacant-kuhn-memorial-state-hospital-to-be-demolished/1435602808. Urban explorers took a tour of an abandoned hospital which has stood empty for 20 years and still has vials of blood and surgical equipment inside. Trying to find out who delivered me. They were trustees. I agree! and Sister Mary Eva. i felt the strong feeling of death and grief. Jen has a new novel out through NineStar Press called You'll Be Fine available on Kindle and paperback. We were just talking about Dr. G on Thurs. We had a patient succumb to lock jaw. (See Kuhn, Page # A 5,) Kuhn (Continued from Page # A 2,) Her Death prompted the Board of Mayor and Alderman to increase efforts to demolish the Former Charity Hospital. thank you so much! Love Mississippi? We use to have to wear lab coats and many people thought he and I were young doctors. I remember the form looking like a glow in the dark black chalk board with white writing. The building site was graded so as to provide the main entrance and ambulance entrances to the out-patient division at one elevation and all service entrances on the west side at a lower elevation. There were three Street brothers who were physicians and they originally owned the hospital and they gave it to the Sisters of Mercy. I wish I could buy it! Also just wanted to find out if you had any contact was any Civil War Confederate patients or doctors. and June Emerson who worked for the urologist whose name escapes me. I was born 5/8/1974.i was born thier also. How time flies. I have bipolar disorder and it might be beneficial for you to take someone in there that has mental problems that would be able to relate and talk to the patients. Anybody know if theres any truth to that? Mercy even played a role in the establishment of a nursing school at USM in the 1960s. Exploring Abandoned Charity Hospital Laurel, Mississippi DeadlyKnot 5.89K subscribers Subscribe 2.4K views 4 years ago Welcome to the old abandoned charity hospital. Address: 63 Hattie Winston Rd, Lumberton, Mississippi, 39455 Website: Email: nightmarehollowms@gmail.com Phone Number: 6018523327 Distance From You: MAP IT NOW Type Of Attraction: Haunted Houses Scare Factor: Suitable for all guests and families (HALLOWEEN FUN) Join our email list to receive discount offers and updates. It is hard for me as well. Yes, time DOES fly! I did retire in 2003! I had two great aunts that died and state hospitals for the insane and Texas. There were several people who might have. Your post only showed your first name and I have been trying to place you. So sad. Ms M & me only had a blanket to give. Kris, it is a sad day today in seeing items being moved out of the Street Clinic to the new medical building on 61N. DUGi: Viewing Item from repository DUGiDocs: Background: Patent ductus arteriosus (PDA) is the most common cardiac disease in preterm newborns. It was when doctors and nurses still cared about the patients and were connected. Dont believe me? I am told the Sisters took great care of him. Welcome to Preservation in Mississippi, a blog about historic buildings, places, and even a few people in Mississippi. I cant remember the percentage of blacks/whites. I was born there in 1967 and Dr. Jarrett was my pediatrician. What a loss for my hometown! I remember this hospital well. Willamena Anding. He was a nurse anesthetist who worked full time at Vicksburg Hospital, but would also work part-time at Kuhn. not sure when that happened. Hi Kathy! Abandoned Mississippi: Afro-American Sons and DaughtersHospital Abandoned Mississippi: Vicksburgs MercyHospital Abandoned Mississippi: Port Gibson OilWorks Abandoned Mississippi: Southern ChristianInstitute Abandoned Mississippi: Central Delta Academy,Inverness, Categories: Abandoned Mississippi, Hospitals/Medical, Recent Past, Vicksburg. CHARITY HOSPITALS. Left me with fond memories. Fond, fond memories. Love the history lesson as Vicksburg has so many. We did have a golf cart that would help transport people from the bottom of the hill to the top of the hill, but it wasnt always enough. But nobody ever pushed the issue until (Gov. I was wandering if any of you ladys that worked or knew of someone that worked at Kuhn might would know my grandmother, I personally dont know her , I was adopted, I do have a sister, I am just inquiring I have a sick son and would like to find her if she is still alive. First step is to locate and grill any relative you can. Does anyone know who I would contact to get permission to explore? My two sons was born @ Kuhn Memorial first Son born: May 6, 1960, My second Son was also born @ Kuhn Memorial I was born here December 19, 1984. I remember when I was a little girl in elementary school, I was visiting my grandma (who was born in 1927) and was looking at her birth certificate, along with some of her childrens. Was there an earlier hospital named Mercy? As a Presbyterian, I was quite intrigued by the Sisters and all the trappings of Roman Catholicism like crucifixes and religious statuary then spent time here during high school as a Candy Striper along with Helen Carter, and a couple of girls from Utica and Raymond, I think. (LogOut/ So sad to see such a huge building destroyed that once was a resource to help the community. The Vicksburg Medical Center facility was sold to Quorum in mid 1998 and soon afterward the integration of the two hospitals began. I remember going there as a little girl. The Vicksburg Medical Center located on I-20 was owned by HCA in Nashville and Parkview was own by Quorum in Brentwood TN. During time of bad weather, the act of getting people up to the top of the hill was much worse. Bea Blackmon (I was a Coventry back then). Just curious as to whether this was the hospital.. In 1963 64 I was employed at the then Charity or County Hospital in Vicksburg, and to my knowledge the First Black Registered Nurse in Vicksburg..I was Evening Supervisor. (function(){var src_url="https://spshared.5min.com/Scripts/PlayerSeed.js'playList=519366027&height=&width=100&sid=577&origin=SOLR&videoGroupID=155847 . We had ob patients deliver their baby at the Hosp and just leave the baby there. Administrator, Secretary Director of Nurses, Director of Nurses, Director of Nursing Service, Director of Personnel, Purchasing office, Business office, Bookkeeping and Insurance offices, Business machines office, Record room, Staff lounge, Chaplains office, and Reference library is on the top floor. Yes I remember there were no ER doctors and I also remember if it wasnt an emergency you were sent home. I first visited the ER there in June, 1967, when Dr. Horn diagnosed me with a serious illness. I have vivid memories of the back parking lot elevator and the colorful 70s theme furnishings. Physical abuse was one of the ways they used to control the patients. Any info you have would be greatly appreciated. just curious.. In 1922, Poveglia's abandoned hospitals and other structures were converted into an asylum. My mom would always tell me she wanted to take me back to meet her. I first went to work there they had just opened the new emergency room in the new wing replacing the old emergency room in the back. Abandoned in 1989, Vicksburgs Kuhn State Memorial Hospital was a go-to destination for paranormal investigators for years, until its demolition in 2019. The only reason I know that date is that I have the big Steel architect plaque that hung on the nurses home and it now hangs in my carport on Hildegarde and I was just reading it this morning and all the people mentioned on the plaque are deceased. It was built in 1797! I was born in that hospital in 1981, wish I had money to save it. As a former employ of River Region Health System, I can provide a little bit of information on the retirement of the old Mercy Hospital building and moving to the new facility on Hwy 61 North. So convenient all the yrs at Mercy which ended up being 42 . Janne Hi do you know any co workers that worked as early as 1978 delievering babies?? Herring came into my room to ask about his relatives, and my mother and I had no idea of who he was. When Officers arrived on the Scene and walked into the residence, they smelled gasoline. Williams said. Born: March 7, 1966, It seems like in the last few years all architectural vestiges of my past are being erased (demolished). They were like two angels in my young mind. I had great respect for RNs like you. Its kind of sad to see things you remember disappearing. Hi Teresa and Eleanor. So did I. Its an eye sore,if it is haunted set them to wear they need to go. My email is ahnissa.eq@gmail.com. Theres also an option to participate in a paranormal investigation at McRaven. were amazing! Is it guarded? Heaven Help Us All. FAIRMONT Officials at the Marion County Humane Society No-Kill Shelter are working with law enforcement to identify and question the person who apparently abandoned a dog and left it for days. I am interested in knowing who your mom and sister were since they also went to the apparent same school. The Kuhn closed in 1989, a victim of state politics and of course funding issues. My first encounter with Mercy Hospital was when Dr. Messina placed my mother In the hospital for breast cancer and surgery. Very neat place as I could imagine how it used to be. (LogOut/ Ruby Washington Ruth Christian and others,,, We had a reunion of all old employees a few years ago.. Eva Farrish who was a midwife nurse practitioner there has all of the history pretaining to that reunion,,, she is still alive. Also there was a huge piece of machinery of some sort in the very back where it is open that we couldnt figure out what it used to be. It wasnt a few years ago. (And much more,) Constructed in the Georgian style of architecture at a cost of $1 million in 1937, the new red-brick hospital featured a slate roof, limestone columns, and a copper copula. Charles, see if you can find any information on a hospital called The Pest House. I had an aunt that was a nurse with the Vicksburg Health Dept. I was born at Mercy on October 30, 1965. The move was completed on February 17, 2002. One was Terrell State Hospital and the other was Rusk State It may take some time. SHE WAS A WONDERFUL LADY. Stayed on working at Mercy (45 years) til I retired in 2003. . He died on that blanket. Went to Mass in the chapel many times. Mom was a LPN & Aunt Susie was a RN. But history in the state of Mississippi has always been mind blowing.. VICKSBURG, Miss. My mom my 2 girls just went into parts of the building yesterday, mom said she could not find anything that looked like the doors would have been wide enough to get a gurney into a morgue. I worked the last day Parview was open.. such a sad day. Keep your heads up on the place. I is very important. I read a surgical procedure report on what I thought was a person. The Beelitz Sanatorium was designed by architect Heino Schmieden in 1898. I was born at Kuhn on Saturday July 12, 1980 at 7:06pm.Much of the stuff that you speak of i.e. My father (whom was legally blind) and mother operated a short order type of stand at Kuhn where she cooked hamburgers and other food. Three months later a friend had her baby at River Region. Located on Grove street, one block north of the Memorial Arch on Clay, the new hospital and its adjoining buildings stand on the brown of a ridge that falls away toward the surrounding sub-division, Wildwood. It also OK'd $2.13 million for Matty Hersee Hospital, $2.03 million for Laurel's South Mississippi State Hospital and $99,642 for the State Eleemosynary Board. He is working with a group who also wants yo purchase the hospital. There was always more then one interesting way to get to other parts of the hospital. I was born in Kuhn in Nov of 1978 and just learned of its history and now I am convinced that if I return there before they demolish it im going to find whats been tormenting my soul my entire lifemy story is long But am convinced that Kuhn is holding all the answers for meanyone else born there have something anything they cant figure out. The city is brimming with spooky sites, including McRaven, Mississippi's most haunted house. Not only haunted, the home is historic, too. Holly Bluff is about 3- 40 miles from Vicksburg, but actually it is much further, roads are bad, etc. I have worked in many hospitals and can say Mercy was the best and cared about the patients, the staff, and anyone who need them. Anyway my name is Mary and if you want please contact me. The owners have been so wonderful to us and have gone out of their way to work with us in viewing the building. Its sad to see the pictures of the hospital now. Just destroy it. I really want to see the inside of it. I wonder when she was there? That has been a wonder for all and especially those of us who live in the subdivision adjoining the property. Sam P, I have had very little dealings with the Kuhn Vicksburg City Hosptial. Hope it does not become vacant for I live in the subdivision right next door. I would be interested and maybe talking to you on facebook Messenger about some of the things you may have witnessed. Cyclooxygenase inhibitors, mainly indomethacin and ibuprofen, have been largely used in the prevention of this pathology. Underground radar shows that as many as 7,000 patients' bodies lie underneath what was once the Mississippi State Insane Asylum. I have very great happy memories of MERCY. We went and explored that place and it was really awesomewould you please share some information with me. Learn how your comment data is processed. ago u/AndreqBoi. Was there the morning of 12/29/2010 watch the tires for broken glass. Its hard to see this. It saddens me to know that it has been closed and left to decay. State funding also runs out for Matty Hersee Hospital in Meridian and South Mississippi State Hospital in Laurel, Mississippis other two general charity hospitals. Before the thieves came and tore the place to pieces, the owner would have let anyone just go through and check things out but there is no hope in that now. Are there any other abandoned places in Mississippi? Plan on going back to take more pictures at night time. Judy, did your mom and dad live on China Street at one time? Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material, including text and images, without express and written permission from this blogs author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. -- Police have identified a murder victim who was found by ghost hunters Sunday near an abandoned hospital. We held clinic Monday through Friday. I was born at Kuhn in 1978. I was just wondering what type of EVPs you got. Its the opposite, actually. My mom in laws grandfather was there in 1913. It didnt have the time on it either (she was born in 1951) and was delivered by a midwife in Itta Bena, Mississippi. This was prior to having ER physicians. I also met with the co-founder of Delta Paranormal Project and he showed me around and I experienced some very strange and awesome things. Even if the hospital were to be demolished any asbestos would still be subject to remediation and the associated expense. Someday Ill post some stories about people there! An access road for service vehicles was provided from Grove street into the courtyard. I would get off the city bus at the bowling alley, walk through the hospital to see my mom, then walk the rest of the way home. The Taborian Hospital in Mound Bayou, Mississippi was a famous African-American hospital funded by a fraternal organization called the International Order of Twelve Knights and Daughters of Tabor. They spoke Spanish. Dr Lee. Blaine, I am a Vicksburger and I graduated from St. Francis in 1957 and the school was run by the Sisters of Mercy. If you want send me a friend request. Dee, you were born there in 1981? Rachel was delivered by Calvin Poole, and her pediatricians were Bobby Ford and Dan Barnes. Heres how the Vicksburg Evening Post described the closure in its June 25, 1989 article Kuhn Provided Long, Proud History of Medical Care: Kuhn Memorial State Hospitals role in the history of Vicksburg comes to an end this week. Man connectged to Kuhn Hosp;ital KIlling onthe Loose. Thanks. Vicksburg Evening Post, Tuesday, May 7, 1957, p. 1ff. Thanks so very much! Ill ask the two I know how to find. Townspeople have to drive across county lines to get emergency, or even . I was born there in 1959. I would to see something done with the building. We are working to take back the model from the overgrowth. Tell us! We lived on Speed Street when I was born, then moved to 2408 Oak Street, I think it was. The morgue is located in the basement around back of the building. Dr. Horn was the other well known pediatrician. I will be going there this summer (2017). My mother worked in admitting here in 1978-79. Worked there for 45 years but in the hospital and not the clinic area. Abandoned Mississippi Hospitals 3,774 views Jun 5, 2011 A look around the beautiful, abandoned hospitals in Mississippi. I am an AA female. It was Parkview Hospital when she was born. The Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 (MHSA) was United States legislation signed by President Jimmy Carter which provided grants to community mental health centers. I finally found this place on Google mapsnow, it is ok to go and look around and take pictures of it? This, too, is connected to the main units by covered walkway. Any info relating to my birth in October 1978? The statue of Laura Kelly was commissioned in the late 1800s, by Mr. Kelly, Lauras husband. I also am familiar to their home on the Street between Polk and National. This would often cause discomfort for staff and patients when the Mississippi weather would swing wildly. We are Preparing for Trial, District Attorney Ricky Smith said, We want to bring this to a close as soon as possible, In June, Mrs, Wilson, 69, was Attacked in her Drummond Street home and taken to the Abandoned Kuhn Memorial Hospital on Martin Luther King Boulevard, where she was Shot with a Stolen Gun in One of the Buildings, and her body left in a wooded area of he property where it was found by Ghost Hunters. 9 haunting abandoned hospitals frozen in time Angela Kennedy 3/21/2022. Know of any other creepy places in Mississippi? I went to nursing school (RN) at Mercy and stayed there for 45 years. South Mississippi Charity Hospital in Laurel is also among the abandoned places in Mississippi. I wonder what happened to the HUGE books in the basement recording the names, dates, and medical problems of patients going way back to 1900? Required fields are marked *. After the Attack, McCloud attempted to Burn Ms. Wilsons Home, leading to the Attempted Arson Charge, Prosecutors and Police said. When you do step inside (and as one person said..there ARE common sense safety issues-you need to be careful if you go) you can feel the weight of history on your shoulders, with every breath, and every step. Every two years or so theres been talk about closing down Kuhn, nursing supervisor Ruth Christian said last week. I remember we could see some of the house from the road. I was born at Mercy Hospital in 1968 and my brother was born there in 1972. I visited it last May walked through it. Our last name was also Herring. Dr. Ting was from China. We are currently talking with the owners about purchasing this great facility and doing a Veterans recovery program there. If you get caught in the gates you will have trespassing charges pressed on you and you will go to jail. Third child born in Rolling Fork, about 20 25 miiles distant, roads bad. I am still kicking and very active at the age of 78. http://greensource.construction.com/green_building_projects/2013/1311-ambler-boiler-house.asp. He loved working there and the other employees. I just recall her bringing in employees in to the ER when I worked there (25 yrs). 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Tremendous Entertainment is planning to explore Kuhn in February for paranormal phenomena. Also please make contact with David Gibson, a local citizen who lives behind the hospital. I had the pleasure of her looking over my second born daughter in 2005 at River Region after we evacuated for Katrina. Kuhn Memorial Hospital; The Man Hunt is over. My mother was Peggy Ann Calcote and her older sister was Janice Calcote. The same story of abuse and neglect. I intend to go back bc somehow I failed to find the morgue and I know I need to for some reason. Status unknown. In 1954, a former resident of Vicksburg, Lee Kuhn, having long since moved to New York City, died and left his estate of $400,000 to the Vicksburg Charity Hospital. Vicksburg, Mississippi 40.5 miles from Jackson, MS Duff Green Mansion served as a hospital during the Civil War and it still bears some of the scars despite restoration. During periods of changing weather, it would take approximately 24 hours to switch from heating to cooling or back again. inmates/workers and even the mental patients that were there i can still remember. Mercy was a top notch hospital and I thank the Sisters of Mercy for that and for the fond memories. The history of the Marine Hospital dates back to 1798 when President Adams established the Marine Hospital Service to care for injured and disabled seamen working on the Mississippi River, and was a precursor to the Public Health Service. I think this would be good not only for the city and the community but also for the neighborhood surrounding the hospital. I hope you can find answers!!!! It was featured on ghost Hunter show on the history channel. I was wondering if you knew if it was still standing today? I dont remember treating but one gunshot wound. If it had not been for Kuhn and its staff, I would have lost both my babies at the same time. But somehow that too may fall . Johnnie Taylor worked the emergency room day shift until she retired.Long about 86 not sure of exact date.. she has since passed away.. The Sisters of Mercy kept this place spotless. Was told they may have moved to Kentucky to practice . I see June occasionally. Thanks for your input AND have a Happy New Year. I hope the city or someone does something good with the property. This was back when the US had the best medical care system on the planet and this hospital was a shining example of it. Cathy I see from your post that you went to school at Mercy in the mid 60s. 25 Feb 2023 14:23:17 An abandoned Mississippi hospital, popular among curiosity seekers and paranormal researchers, became a crime scene Sunday after a group of ghost hunters found a body while exploring the property. Todays Head line in VIcksburg Post, February 28th, 2016; A Step Closer? Date Victim(s) Abductor(s) Location Age of victim(s) Outcome Notes 18 December 1900 Edward Cudahy Jr. Pat Crowe (accused) : Omaha, Nebraska, U.S. : 15 Released Son of a business magnate who was kidnapped and held for $25,000 ransom, with his abductor, Pat Crowe, releasing him after the ransom was paid.After being found not guilty at trial, he made a living as a lecturer and author. Also her sister, Susie Ward worked there, she was a RN. He had major surgery when he was 3 days old. My husband and I moved to Gulfport to teach in 1972, but when we go back to Vicksburg, we always try to ride by the hospital and through Wildwood. The bones of steel and concrete are solid. Now, your birth certificate also should have the time. Over the years, visitors to the cemetery have claimed that the statue of Laura Kelly appears to be weeping. Obviously, my big brother had far too much fun filling my head with claptrap. OMG Blaine I knew all three of them. Does anyone know if this was the only hospital open at that time in Vicksburg? Particularly since you are so young. Dr. Deborah Smith saved his life (blood disorder) at three months and again at 5 months. She was a LPN. There should be some form of black history documentation noted for the first black nurses employed at Khun. I remember I cut my foot when I was a toddler and my mom didnt have a car, she picked me up and ran to Kuhn because it was a very bad cut. She has the warmest heart EVER! . It WAS a hospital for people with no insurance, no money. Patricia what year was your student nurse at Kuhn ? A small crowd of residents and city officials in Vicksburg, Mississippi, came together on Wednesday, February 6 th for a ceremony in order to watch the beginning of the hospital's demolition.. could have been when it first closed but as you can see vandalism has taken its toll on the building and it would prolly take several million dollars to do something of use for it now with all practical purposes it would be cheaper to raze this place and build another rather than try to restore this now.. just another wasted government building. Hospital. Kris, its lovely to be in touch with you again! But changes in the medical industry (implicit in the new term medical industry) forced them to sell the hospital in 1991 to a group called Quorum Health Care. Yes security and cameras are in place. Have your own spooky tale to share? I prowled around in there all by myself and heard/saw nothing. There are no vines on the building or elevator shaft anymore.We have done a good bit with the place since someone took these pics. My Mom, Mary Rose Phillips worked there. Now for this place to ever be used again it would need extensive remodeling. Susan, I just thought of another Mercy physician that delivered babies in 1962. My mom was a corrections officer there in the 80s up until it was closed. I have a question I would like to ask. Kewanna, what is your date of birth? Next was having a reaction to penicillin in the emergency room when it was on street level. Tucked away on the Jackson Road (now Martin Luther King Jr. We have several types of activities from removing dirt, debris on the panels to cutting down and removing invasive trees. Kuhn State Memorial Hospital might be long gone, but that doesnt mean Vicksburg is void of creepy places. Even a few people in Mississippi to the Sisters of Mercy good bit with the place since took. 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