Not Shanann! I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Do you think she was murdered elsewhere? The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. She was an environmental science person. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. 1. This whole thing is terrible. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. Kaye, this sounds plausible. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? So completely terrible. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. Remember, she was pregnant. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Even the few days shannan was gone. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. Addition. He just switched. Now i fully beleive NK was in on plan, her idea to put bodies in tanks to help disolve them. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. How would you have reacted in her situation? Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. He had only a few friends. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. Scares me honestly. It was all a complete lie. Chris said he forgot the phone. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. Theres plenty of liqueurs that are very well hidden in frozen shakes etc. Which is odd to me again. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. give me a break. Page 582, 6. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. didnt attempt it herself. Your thoughts? I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. And then you test it in various scenarios. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. This was the last time she was seen alive. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. What about rigormortis?. That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. What about rigormortis? After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. I did. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? She was pregnant some women have very sore breasts when pregnant and the bra adds support & comfort. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Taking it off makes the breasts throb & feel more painful. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Gastrointestinal Tract: Where was all the money from that house? He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. I just dont get it. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Very CW. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. Ugh. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. I lived with one. Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. Your email address will not be published. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? With her like this would the conspiracy theory about her killing not happening until Tues or Wed not be possible? Theres really not much to say about this, right? The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Lack of petechiae. Kick him? Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Same with NK. Unless I missed it? Throw it away? Everyone tho he was great guy. I meant three perfectly formed humans. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. I was writing in a passion. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. Colorado is very rural. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? No, so you have same information that anyone else has. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Read my above post. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. What was the motive? Thankyou. Please explain. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Chris Watts isnt my hero. It could be all the thrive he was taking. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. What was Shananns cause of death? Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! Then he asks to talk to his dad. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. dirty murderer! through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . So what Was his motivation for that? @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. > Most do not, really? He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. 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