Maybe thats an indication for me to say that they are the kind of disciples I want to be. Praise God David that He never left your side and He indeed had a better place for you. I very much liked the quotations this article ends with. The views expressed are my own and do not necessarily represent the official views of Morling College or its affiliates and partners. However I didnt make the connection with Jen. I do agree with your comment to Link above, and I most certainly believe that the place for confrontation is not social media or blog posts. Whoever marries her that is divorced is guilty of sex sins in marriage.. To them, the Scriptures are clear on this issue, and they think the rest of us are in error by treating Sunday like a Sabbath. The Cohen New Works Festival is a biennial celebration of new, bold, risk-taking, future-thinking, cutting-edge, no-holds-barred, adjective-filled, original performance! When I asked Jen if she would private message me so I could respond privately about my concerns on same sex marriage, she never did. The reason Jesus doesnt talk about a same-sex marital covenant is because such a thing doesnt exist in the Bible. The greatest commandments : love God with your whole self, love your neighbour as yourself. This is not about a personal sin or a personal doubt, this is about her clear rejection of an eternal truth. I was super bummed out by most of the comments. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you, so that at the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. But that also shouldnt stop us from loving one another. LOCATION | The 04 Center 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 . Good question. But we cant go to the other extreme and do nothing about wayward leaders. I must be very removed from online evangelical chatter. Be and example yourself, I think you should read the Bible: Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. Jesus speaks out harshly against causing others to stumble rather than personal sin like in your examples. Ah, yes. Just playin devils advocate here a bit, but when we say Jesus didnt speak to homosexuality, are we seriously suggesting he didnt comment on sexuality itself as it stood in the Scriptural tradition? He also confines marriage to man and woman by reiterating the words of Genesis 1 and 2 in Matthew 19. Stop making excuses. But since Hollywood and the media/culture in general are winning in making it look like anyone who thinks it isnt are big bad bullies, well, I guess it makes if the du jour topic st the moment amongst those so called Christians who want to be cool and maybe just maybe more accepted by the world and then hey look Im getting more famous and earning more money-just a thought.. I so agree with your point about how we handle disagreement in evangelicalism. Its the brutality of unhealthy religion. Will you explain that that was okay back then but not now? And as a point of note, the closest he ever came to talking about homosexuality, he explained that in heaven, there is no such thing as marriage and that all marriage contracts are nullified since we shall be as the angels which either means angels get it on with whoever they like or they have no sexual characteristicswhich means that if there is sexual desire in heaven, it would be homosexual as wed all be the same sex. Post-Bulletin, Austin MN. Your firmly held religious beliefs are personal. Other indicators include: I think what conservative evangelicals do to their brothers and sisters who come to different views to theirs is a clear mark of unhealthy religion. Seriously. Where did Jesus say anything about polluting the environment, or armed robbery? Jesus didnt say a lot of things. It is sad. Any affront to the gospel is heresy. She and her husband planted Austin New Church in an economically and ethnically diverse . He just wasnt talking about that. Hatmaker's father was a pastor and ran a family church. Some tens of thousands of believers were martyred in 2016 and Jen Hatmaker is complaining about internet trolls and theological criticism. Focus on immaterial things Shes a blogger. One might postulate that a concerted, tactical, and very well-planned effort has been made within ANC since late Oct 16 to conform the church and its elders and teachers and official doctrinal positions to with JHs public positions, not the other way around. If you believe that, you need to reread that passage and see for what the whip was used. 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 . Sadly, this is what happens when religious communities become obsessed with building walls to exclude others. I just read Matthew 21:12 again, and Im not seeing your point. We need a new class in seminary and Bible schools: Communication 102 Using public media wisely examples from the Gospels and the Epistles. He just hates sin. Is she officially on staff at ANC in any paid or unpaid position? Ireland, 2022, 1h 34min, DCP, In Irish Gaelic and English with English subtitles. And with all due respect, wouldnt your theology investigation be better invested on this very important matter of salvation (affecting 100% of humanity) instead of the issue of homosexuality (affecting 3-5% of humanity)? Or the only one you care about? Important conversations, yes, but the Holy Spirit is the one that convicts and leads us into truth, not emotion, not anger, not verbal tirades. Others are not free to dump anything that they have not. Austin Butler, Angela Bassett, Viola Davis, 'The Banshees of Inisherin' and 'Better Call Saul' were among the surprise snubs from the 2023 SAG Awards. At the very least she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. Oscar nominee Austin Butler and model girlfriend Kaia Gerber were "making out all night" at W Magazine's annual "Best Performances" party over the weekend, spies told Page Six . . I just ran across your blog recently. So, what does healthy religion look like? I think we should go one layer deeper, where is the accountability of the Jens and the Robs? The Scriptures are very clear that predestination exists, yet there are millions of believers who dont believe in it. My salvation experience was not based on my status as a repentant sinner. See 9 photos and 1 tip from 46 visitors to Austin New Church. Thank you for sharing your story and heartache. In my view, heresy is anything that keeps someone from falling into the arms of Jesus and His grace. They are for you to follow. Where is your compassion? A church that brought me to Christ for the first time in my life, helped my family know and love God, led by a truly honest, good man, just vanished. Does this however mean that people who are homosexual are not welcome to attend church? Even if the person you have concerns about isnt known to you personally (a well-known identity like Jen, for example), a private message or email is a far more respectful (and therefore, more effective) means of exchanging views. The author thought he had the dream job: pastoring a megachurch. The Scriptures are clear that believers of the Christian faith often speak in tongues. Do you keep the Sabbath holy? For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. Whether it be drunkiness,adultery or homosexuality. Mike are you saying the nature and the tone of the criticisms are what you object to? God comes first. We must do better. Increasingly, 140 characters on twitter are used to express quite nuanced positions. There are lots of examples in Scripture of people being baptized. It isnt love to just not disagree with someone. Free Methodist Church disengages from ANC. Matthew 10:34-39 NKJV. Get the bloodlust out of your system, people. And when I say hugs, I mean THE KIND A MAMA GIVES HER BELOVED KID." My PCA friends love John Calvin, Martin Luther, et al. Healthy religion gives confidence to embrace the stranger and insights that are available from those with a different experience of life. It is a pattern of sin emanating from our wicked hearts. Paul had no qualms about naming names and confronting false doctrines and false apostles by name in his letters. It is one of my favorite stories. Brett Trap has it going on. Lets focus on how the devil is using each and everyone of us in order to win good people over to his side. Typos! 5 It says, For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. Jesus reprimanded the woman at the well. Austin New Church. Frankly, I cant believe we even are having a conversation about this. Constricting.Simulating.Seekin I Corinthians 5:10-13 NKJV Questions: And I visit quite a few churches around the place. Because its not showing right now. And Im not suggesting that religious leaders shouldnt debate and discuss their concerns when members (or fellow leaders) appear to contradict or challenge these beliefs. I believe if someone publicly steps out of orthodoxy, it is fair to point out where you think they might be in error. When, in your mind, must a leader be called out for heresy or false doctrine? Jen Hatmaker, is NOT a victim, maybe she is a victim of poor theology and hermeneutics. Ive had to distance myself from several in the Christian community where I live following character assassination and some harassment. The best place to confront false teaching is on Sundays from the pulpit (like in Pauls letters which were meant to be read to a local church) and in personal discussion, where real Q & A dialogue can happen. 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